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warren:alright, we're live. once again, on cellular healing tv, episode61. i'm warren phillips, here as co-host. dr. pompa:you can [0:15] i'm throwing him off. i'm in his space. warren:we haven't done a show in a while. i've been busy. dr. pompa:it's true! yeah, warren hasn't been there.

warren:i'm really excited to be back. we're getting great feedback on phil kaplanbeing on the show, co-hosting with dr. pompa. thank you. phil's going to be on with us more. we're definitely integrating some of his strategiesand solutions in with cellular healing tv. we want to bring it to the world. speaking of which, we're on top of the worldright now. we're on the 66th floor at the westin. dr. pompa:show them.

warren:we have a training with our doctors, so there's the downtown—well, it's a side of downtownatlanta. it's over there. we like to show you where we're at when we'retraining. dr. pompa:you can see the stadium there or somewhere. oh, it's blocking it. [0:56] you could see the stadium. warren:anyway, we take you with us wherever we go. we do have an event here where we're trainingour platinum physicians, so we do have a network

of doctors, if you need to be coached, justso you know. you can write us through drpompa.com. go to our website. now we can hook you up with one of our trainedpractitioners. dr. pompa:this topic is actually something i'm always reminding our doctors what we do and why it'sso different. warren:it is different. dr. pompa:functional medicine has gotten very popular. functional medicine.

people always say to me, "what do you do?" there's always this great pause, because inever know quite how to explain it. i end up coming out with, when i'm speakingto other practitioners, "i guess it's functional medicine." immediately i say, "yeah, but it's—" it'sjust i hate saying that word. you can tell that i'm pausing, because i— warren:one, it's not medicine, because we're not practicing—and two, it has a bad name. it's the this for that.

it's like, here's functional medicine. it's not that well known right now, but itis getting some legs, and it does help people. it's running some blood work— dr. pompa:some people use the word "functional nutrition," which i would say that's a little more appropriate,right? that's not what's more known. functional medicine is what's caught on. i hate the word, because i feel like we dosome things that are so much greater, better. to me, functional medicine is giving peoplemore vitamins and minerals.

homeopathy, whatever it is. whatever you're doing. warren:it all has value, but it's not really— dr. pompa:yeah, it all has value. i'm not saying it doesn't. warren:—our core concept. dr. pompa:right, but our core concept obviously does pull back to the cell. this show talks about ancient healing strategies.

now, ancient healing strategies is a partof how we got our lives back. warren:yeah, god put this on your heart. dr. pompa:absolutely. we had to fix the cell to get well. ancient healing strategies, things that reallywork with the body's innate intelligence, the intelligence that god put there, thathave been around for thousands of years, that i find very few practitioners actually do. very few. my history, actually, in this, obviously startswith our own interest.

even before i got sick, i had a great interestin this type of healing. with the philosophy that hey, if we just removethe interference, the body can do the healing. our detox, that surrounds what we do at thecellular level. it surrounds, really, everything that godhas shown us with that philosophy in healing. a lot of it came back when i had an interestin fasting. warren:actually, it started when you were a kid and your mom told you god made dirt and dirt won'thurt. we'll explain why that's important later inthe show. dr. pompa:that's true.

i played in dirt. when you just said that, i immediately wentback and i started visualizing places where i played in the dirt. yeah, i could see it there in my backyard. i could see— warren:there's truth inside of that statement. dr. pompa:yeah, no doubt. actually, ironically enough, this is a littlefunny story— warren:i'm getting you off on a [3:59] trail.

dr. pompa:i like this, though. i don't mind it. i decided to sell dirt. this is a true story. my idea was, let's go around and we'll getall the cans we can. the old coke cans that were in the neighborhood. we had this, what i convinced everybody wasreally good dirt. actually, i think it was. it was this really soft, amazing dirt.

i thought that this dirt would grow people'svegetables better. i thought we could sell the dirt. literally i had all of the kids in the neighborhood,we were filling up cans of dirt. we had hundreds. we put them in our little red wagons and hookedthem up to our bikes, and we went door-to-door selling dirt. of course people bought it, right? they didn't buy it because they thought thatthey wanted dirt. they bought it because they felt bad for us.

warren:right, right. quarter a can. dr. pompa:i literally thought i was going to go into the dirt business. i'm thinking, if these people bought it, thenof course, we can go beyond that. if i'd have known warren back then, we would'vebeen in the dirt business. warren:we would've been. it's a good business. it is.

we could have sod farms. it'd be all-organic, though dr. pompa:fast forward, though. the dirt is healing. we're partly in the dirt business, givingpeople microorganisms, which is a 180. the bacteria that was in that dirt, whichi didn't know, i should've told them to eat it. if i could've convinced them to eat it, iwould've changed lives even then. warren:back in the day, jordan [5:16] one of his

number one products was soil organisms. dr. pompa:dirt, yeah. warren:it transformed people's guts. let's get back to your ancient healing strategies. fasting. way back, the [5:25] days of water fasting. dr. pompa:yeah, water fasting. i took an interest in water fasting. i don't recall how i got there, but it isan ancient healing.

animals do it instinctively. i was very into, the body knows what to do. still am. it's still what i preach and teach. the body does know what to do. i'm always reminding my clients that oftentimes,we just have to step out of the way. warren, i have some really difficult clientsand cases. you learn in it. through the years, i've learned that whensomebody's body is starting to shut down—and

it just so happens i have three cases rightnow that i'm dealing with this on. they come in droves, where you get the really,really hard ones. i watched something happen in these casesevery time. we get to the point that they literally, andthis is always hard to believe, but they can't eat one bite food. they definitely can't take a supplement, theycan't take medication, and their body reacts. imagine this. warren:it'd be scary. dr. pompa:one of my recent clients who may be watching,

he literally went 12 days, because every timehe even tried water—he went 3 days without water. he would drink water and he would react. one thing i've learned in this time is totell the person, "listen to the body. don't eat." the scary part for them is, and it's alwaysthe same, is they think they're dying. they think that they're starving to death. men get down to, typically, 90 to 100 pounds,depending on their bone size, and women get down to 80 pounds.

that's typically where i see them level off. people watching this are going, "oh my gosh,how possible could that be good?" warren:this is in really, really challenged— dr. pompa:absolutely, but you learn in it. i'll bring the point around to everyone watching. the point is, is the body instinctively knewwhat to do. that was to fast, to go without food and justdrink water. they always say the same thing. "how do i know when to stop?"

by the way, when they're in this mode, theyactually feel good. it's when they start to add stuff that theyreally start to react. i say, "you'll know." warren:you know what is crazy, is that fasting, water fasting, has been around—it's obviouslya spiritual thing, but it's been around thousands and thousands of years. ancient chinese. before christ, all that fasting. biblical times.

fasting's so important spiritually and forhealth reasons, and we just—"god doesn't know. we'll fix it better with a pill." they throw it out and throw out all the ancientwisdom, and the body knows. dr. pompa:listen, animals do it instinctively. when an animal gets hurt or they get sick,they don't eat. they can go days and days and days. i always tell the story about—years ago,i had a client that fasted for over 26—it was almost 27 days.

i would say 26 1/2. warren:she was medically supervising this, by the way, for this particular client. dr. pompa:you have to watch your electrolytes. electrolytes are the only thing that haveto be monitored. if your sodium potassium levels drop to acertain point, then you have to give electrolytes during the fast. a little bit of salt water, typically, cankeep someone going. people can fast, obviously biblical [8:43]40 days or more.

i've seen 60 some days people fast, for multiple—tumorsand things. the body goes through a healing process that'sremarkable. this one woman that i spoke of, her tongue,of course, turned white, which we see happen with people on four-day fasts. warren:oh, it happens to me on a four-day fast. the fungus coming out. dr. pompa:hers went from white to green to black. black was coming out of her ears. hairy black.

i'm not kidding. her armpits. things were just purging. she stunk so bad her family had to quarantineher in her separate room and blow fans, creating negative air pressure in the room. that's how bad. she came out of it healed. that's an amazing thing. my wife, a lot of you watching this don'tknow this, but she fasted 13 days on just

she was diagnosed with cervical cancer. we chose to do that. of course, she came out of that with no cervicalcancer. they said, "you can do what you want, butyou're going to need to do this." of course, we didn't need to do this. warren:what a miracle. dr. pompa:that was before we knew my wife had lead issues. that was before my wife had methylation issues. read our 5r article.

that's that story. warren:coincidence, miracle, or did the fasting work? dr. pompa:that was when i was just learning about fasting. i said, "you've got to fast." i was reading her all these things about fasting. anyways, remarkable things happen when peoplego without food. these clients, they always ask me this question,just like the gal who fasted for 26 days. "how do i know when i should eat again?" i said, "your body will tell you."

"how?" "you'll get hungry." "i'm hungry now." it's like, "no, no, no. there's a difference of appetite, and there'sa difference of hunger." if you smell food and you salivate, that'sappetite. hunger is a deep, deep, deep feeling, andit's very, very different. your body goes into a protein-sparing modearound three or four days; typically, right around three days.

then what happens is, that's when the magicstarts. your body will literally, and this is alwaysabout survival, will burn out the toxic tissue in your body before it will go after its protein,because it knows it wants to hold onto that little bit of muscle that it needs to stayerect to stay living, its heart, etcetera. it goes into this [11:01] protein. that's why i like four-day fasts, right? i don't like three days, because you don'tenter that healing moment until after that three days. the body does these amazing things duringthat time, and it will burn out all of this

[11:14]. that's why you see all the black tongues andall this stuff happening. it's really an amazing thing to watch someoneheal during this time. these people, after 12 days, hunger came in,and he started to eat. magically, he could start to ingest foodsand even take supplements. we see this occur, and it's really neat towatch. i've watched it enough that i'm confidentwhen i have to tell somebody to, "okay, just don't eat." of course, you don't go that route at first.

it evolves into that. warren:plus you said to me, dan—dr. pompa, sorry. dr. pompa:dan. warren:dan. most people, you wouldn't recommend doingthis on their own. no, i mean, look, that's why we do, typically,four-day fasts and things like that. everybody can fast those periods of time. long periods, you do have to watch the electrolytes,and you should do it with a doctor. we've trained doctors in these types of thingsaround the country for various reasons.

this is one of the things we call ancienthealing, and it's part of what we do. it's part of how we fix the cell. utilizing that innate intelligence. getting out of the way. the body has an amazing, amazing ability toheal. i think water fasting is the extreme example,and we'll talk about some other things that i think most of our viewers will be interestedin. it is that extreme. there's some people who do better, oftentimes,with what we call intermittent fasting, where

we bring the calories down between 500 and800. i think for most people, that's a way to getsome benefits out of fasting, where you have this growth hormone rise, protein-sparingmode, without water fasting. i think that water fasts are very appropriate. like i said, in these cases, the body wastelling them don't eat, don't eat. we utilize intermittent fasting, which weget, just to summarize. there's articles written on intermittent fasting. i talk about block intermittent fasting, whenwe take someone for four days to fourteen days, bringing their caloric intake down tosomewhere between 500 and 800, maximum 1000,

in a day. we're doing it with ancient healing again. beef stock fasts, right? whey water. those are two things that have been aroundfor thousands and thousands of years, just like water fasting, where we put people onjust beef stock. that actually controls the electrolytes. that's why it's easier. it has minerals.

it has things. beef stock has type 2 collagen. it offers different types of healing. when you do that, you starved out all thebacteria in the gut, good and bad. then when you come out of that fast, you reinoculate. now you can fix the dysbiosis. warren:you start eating dirt then? dr. pompa:that's when you start eating dirt or bacteria. warren:or dirt like products.

i think one of them is prescript-assist. dr. pompa:yeah, exactly. i was going to reach behind me and grab it,but that was in my room. our rooms look alike. warren:i think— dr. pompa:did you get it? no. anyways. there is a dirt product that we have calledprescript-assist.

yeah, then we bring in different bacteria,but also, fermented foods, after this fast. after you starve down all the bacteria aftera beef stock fast, then it's important to reinoculate. we come in with these dirt pills, cans ofdirt. we come in with different, even regular probiotics,but also, fermented foods, where you get trillions of very unique bacteria. warren:right, so whatever's in the soil with the organic cabbage that's out there, you don'twash it. you keep that on there and you ferment that.

you grind it up, put in some suero or followa fermentation strategy. you can buy fermentation kits online, andall those little good bugs that happen to be in the ground are now on your cabbage. now they grow in your little fermentation dr. pompa:it's funny, because when i buy organic vegetables, i don't wash them. warren: except if, this new company's—it'sorganic, and they're using some—i don't know what company that was, but there's alwaysthe facebook media. driscoll organic.

find out yourself. i'm not throwing driscoll under the bus, becausei don't know, but now they're saying—they say. dr. pompa:they say. does washing even help it? the things are inside the plant, and whatyou're washing off, typically, is the good bacteria, which you need. warren:fermented strawberries. oh, that's wine, so we can't do that.

dr. pompa:yeah, don't do that. fermentation brings in these neat bacterias. again, it's ancient healing. warren:it preserves the [15:33]. dr. pompa:that's what i was going to say. refrigeration ended fermentation. warren:yeah, that's the issue. we forget where we came from. what we're designed to do.

ancient healing is really eating normal 150years ago. dr. pompa:yeah, i believe that with that, refrigeration's been really nice, but out went fermentation,which we needed to keep products fresh. that's why they fermented it, is because thebacteria that would build up there would keep it from the bad guys. the good guys would explode. warren:just like on your hands. dr. pompa:yeah, absolutely. good analogy, yeah.

all these good guys would build up duringfermentation, and then the bad guys wouldn't cause the food to become bad. warren, that's a great analogy. all the schools and churches that use theantibacterial soaps, you're doing the same thing. you're wiping out your goods and now you'rethe one that's susceptible. when you're around it and you have all thesegood microbes you're not killing with antibacterial soaps and antibacterial things, that microbiomeprotects you. this is your first line of protection.

the bacteria here, and of course, the bacteriain here. this is our line of protection. actually bacteria—not just bacteria, butfunguses and something called bacteriophage which is almost like a bacteria. by the way, sometimes we put in those bacteriophage,which, this is new research. we're developing more and more of these phage. these guys act like a virus. they go into the bad guys, whether it's salmonella,e-coli, or any of these bad guys, and they inject their dna.

they tow off the bad guys. what this does is allows your good guys totake over. these phage can get into biofilm, so peoplewho have nasty, toxic biofilm that seem—they can never get rid of candida, can never fixtheir gut—these phage can go in and enter into these bad guys, kill them off enoughthat the good guys can explode. phage do not kill the good microorganisms. they kill the bad guys. they're very specific. their target is bad guys.

you should see them. they're like little spiders. warren:yeah, little spaceship-looking things, yeah. dr. pompa:yeah, little spaceship-looking things under an electronic microscope. these things are amazing. they come in and they attach. they have a probe that goes down in and injectsinto the pathogen, and it kills it. now our good guys go—so we've learned somuch about the microbiome.

warren:systemic—shane created one. dr. pompa:ec is the product. capital ec. very specific for e-coli. when i'm dealing with a lot of patients who,[17:59] challenge— warren:terra firma has a phage in it, too. dr. pompa:yes, it does. warren:so does adaptgen. dr. pompa:yep, so these guys, we utilize them to go

in and wipe out [18:08]. now our reinoculation can take over. the point is, it is ancient healing. warren:it seems complicated, but— dr. pompa:it's not. it's not. warren:it's nature. dr. pompa:yeah. we fix the gut.

today, the gut is getting destroyed. we don't ferment things anymore, so we'renot getting the good guys. warren:the good guys that fight the bad guys. dr. pompa:we're killing the good guys. warren:with antibiotics. dr. pompa:antibiotics. over antibiotics, overmedication, and overantibacterial everything. the biggest one of all is glyphosate. it's sprayed on everything that our familiesare eating, unless you're eating 100% organic.

every grain that's conventional and non-organicis sprayed with this stuff. massive amounts. it's putting holes in the gut, causing dysbiosis. here's the big thing. it's killing off bacteria that we need tomake neurotransmitters for our brain. it affects this and it affects this brain. oh, what's our solution? more and more antidepressants. more and more psychotropic drugs trying todeal with anxiety.

we have kids on these things. kids are taking adderall. it's exploding. this is a nightmare. ancient healing is the key. how do we fix it? once your gut's destroyed, this is not right. we bring them through these fasts. sometimes, series of fasts, warren, wherewe do this twice a month.

four days, maybe twice a month. maybe ten days once a month. whatever it is. it's typically applied specifically for thecondition that we're looking at. again, we're here training doctors on thisstuff, and how to do these ancient healings. you're probably getting excited, because sometimesyou're on the business side of things and you forget how amazing it is what we teachthese doctors to do. warren:yeah, it is amazing. everything that dr. pompa's sharing with youis stuff that you've told me to do.

i've had massive results in my health andmy life. some of the new protocols—i have goals everyyear in my health. guys, one of the biggest— dr. pompa:you've kicked butt this year. warren:yeah, i kicked butt. still, i have my weaknesses with managingstress, because i love to do— dr. pompa:that's the last frontier. warren:yeah, that's the last frontier for me. the health thing—last year i had some goals.

every year, i'm setting this health goals,and the reason why is john butcher's program, which we'll send an email out promoting johnbutcher's program here in may. stay tuned in may and i'm going to share thiswith you. what i found in there is your health is thekey category that, it affects every area of your happiness and your life. that's why i've been focusing there on someof these strategies. mainly, the big one that got me last year,in 2014, was the block fast and intermittent fasting. the four-day fasting, the bone broth fasting—whichis, i went viral on youtube with that video

with my daughter. dr. pompa:how to make the bone broth. warren:how to make the bone broth fast. i shared that with our audience, and it'sbeen really powerful for me. it's going to be powerful for you. you have to apply these ancient healing strategies. it's simple, and it doesn't cost you much. it's amazing. we actually did it before.

joe mccullough does a great job. he has a great following, and he's doing alot for wellness and the mission. he released it probably five years ago, butwe recently, in 2014—so all these article are out there under intermittent fast. the reason i said that is we released it rightbefore he did. we beat mccullough to the punch when it gothot in topics. first time, probably the only time, we'llbeat dr. joe to the punch. type in "intermittent fasting." at the top right hand corner, there's a searchtool that says "search."

the little magnifying glass. type in, "intermittent fasting," "bone brothfasting." you'll see some of these articles and someof the systems that we've used and, again, dr. pompa even uses with his most challengedpatients. dr. pompa:the other thing we've utilized is whey water. whey water has been used for thousands ofyears. warren:we've got to thank jordan for that. dr. pompa:its nickname is healing water. hippocrates nicknamed, father of medicinenicknamed whey water.

it's not whey protein, for those watching. it's this gold liquid that comes off whenthey make cheese. beyond organic's whey water is the one weuse. you can tell them how to utilize that. it's actually in most of the articles on howto find that product. whey water is a perfect ratio of sodium potassiumthat matches the ratio at the cell. again, you've got to get well, you've gotto fix the cell. what it does is it keeps—again, people cando long whey water fast because again, it balances the electrolytes.

stock fasting, whey water fasting, typicallyfour, ten days. these types of fasts are easy to do. the first couple days are rough, and thenyour hunger goes away. just like water fast, people, after threedays, aren't hungry, typically after two days on these types of fasts people aren't hungry. water fasting, stock fasting, whey water fasting,for most people, without supervision— warren:stock's bone broth. dr. pompa:bone broth and stock fasting— warren:same, same.

dr. pompa:yeah, and the whey water. then, there is something called intermittentfasting daily. intermittent fasting daily. intermittent fasting is a block type of fast,which we just talked about. days. what about if we did it every day? we do. it's one of the things that i do all the time,is that i go 16, 18 hours without eating. there's nothing new under the sun.

this has been around—let's say in europe,they're still doing this. very few people eat breakfast. i know in this country, it's the 180, is thatbreakfast should be the biggest meal and most important meal of the day. we're not with the way the rest of the worldgoes, by the way. we don't eat breakfast. we'll have just some regular coffee in themorning. maybe hot tea. warren:with mct and butter.

sometimes i do. dr. pompa:yeah, just a little bit of that stuff. it doesn't break the fast. it's not enough. warren:i use that [23:46] butter stuff too, that you have. dr. pompa:which one? right, the x-factor butter. i eat x-factor butter every day, by the way.

i love it. it's part of my first meal. then i eat around maybe, 2:00, 3:00 in theafternoon as my first meal. like you said, 16 to 18 hours. warren:coffee with maybe some fats. then [24:05] 2:00 to 3:00. dr. pompa:yes. then what i eat at 2:00 to 3:00 is, i typicallyjust have a very light meal. protein, x-factor butter, maybe i'll do somewhey protein.

again, if you have whey water, you can dothat as part of that meal. the amasi would be part of that meal. very, very light meal. sometimes, i'll put some seeds in a littlething and eat it, but a very small meal of fat and protein is basically what i'm eating. matter of fact, on last week's show, we talkedabout the ten things, ideas. any of those ten would be appropriate forthis meal. we did ten ideas, so watch last week's show. then i eat a big dinner.

that's key. you have to eat a massive dinner. again, you can't cut calories by pushing foodaway. you have to cut calories by not being hungry,and that's a hormonal strategy. once you become a very efficient fat burner,which we always teach our clients how to become, then you can go longer periods without food. you don't eat your muscle. matter of fact, growth hormone goes up. you maintain your muscle.

your body feeds from its own fat. one thing i always say, warren. if you want to age slow, control what? warren:insulin and glucose. dr. pompa:you got it. warren:boom. dr. pompa:insulin and glucose. you control that the best, not by eating. you control it best by not eating.

when your body's burning fat, your glucoselevels are perfect. growth hormone, through the roof. it's the best way to anti-age. look at all of the research on anti-aging. there's really only one thing that reallyholds true under pressure. under scientific scrutiny, i should say. that is diminished caloric intake. wait a minute. that doesn't work, because if you just pushfood away, you keep getting less and less

and less and less, and you ruin your metabolism. doesn't work to just say, "i'm not going toeat anymore." doesn't work. you have to be able to eat to full. the key is being very hormone sensitive atthe cell, being a very efficient fat burner, hormonally. now, when you don't eat, you're burning fat. then you have to gorge at night. that's my point, because if you don't, yourbody will think it's starving.

it'll start lowering its metabolism to stayalive. right, then you have to eat less and lessand less and less, and you literally get skinny-fat. you can't cut calories unless you become thisefficient fat burner. doing it through these strategies that we'retalking about is one of the ways to become an efficient fat burner. fixing the cell, the 5 r's, all of that'spart of it. the key is, you become an efficient fat burner. i forget to eat sometimes, because my body'seating. it's eating at night.

it's eating when i'm not eating. it's eating the fat and controlling glucose. then, eat a massive dinner, because if thebody ever thinks it's starving—here's what happens. people think, "this is working, so i'm goingto eat even less." warren:right, i'm going to lose more weight. dr. pompa:nope, doesn't work. you have to eat the massive, gorging dinner,just like the romans did. warren:it's so sad that calorie restriction is the

way to lose weight. i hear that from educated people. i sent them the science, and they still calorierestrict. i don't believe it. they believe that that's in. dr. pompa:there's a reason. warren:all the shows that do it—"the biggest looter"—loser. dr. pompa:looter. warren:looter.

they're looters. they are stealing our lives, because thesepeople get sick. they get hurt. they have to sign waivers. what they do to these people's bodies is justridiculous. dr. pompa:by the way, people would watch that show and say, "yeah, but it works. caloric restriction works." warren:look at their story later, most of the time.

it's sad. dr. pompa:here's the thing. it only works for a shot period of time, right? then you just can't keep the madness going. you're going to break. you're going to break your [27:40]. warren:we should change the show. dr. pompa:you're exercising. you're burning calories, and you're eatingless.

burning calories, eating less. of course your body will start to feed fromitself, but what does it do? it wants to survive, so it's lowering itsmetabolism, lowering its metabolism. you see they get stuck at a certain weight. they don't ever look like us in the end. they get stuck, and then they give in, becausetheir body's instinct of survival says, "eat! eat, eat, eat!" it's not fixed. that's the point.

what happens? then they blow back up, and they ruin theirmetabolisms. warren:and their hormones, and their health. they may have lost weight, but they have abigger chance of a heart attack now than before. dr. pompa:no doubt. look, the key to living longer is eating less. how do you eat less without caloric restriction? you have to fix the hormones. you have to fix the cell.

you have to become— warren:you've got to do step one before step two. the old adage of eating six meals a day. look, does it work? yeah. it's just like caloric restriction. it works because people will maintain theirmuscle and not eat their muscle, so it keeps their metabolism up just enough that theycan lose some weight, but it's not [28:46]. you want to age fast?

eat six meals a day. you're going to age faster. every time you eat, you're firing up the cells'mitochondria. you're making energy. your body has to deal with it. warren:has to go through digestion. dr. pompa:your telomeres are going—that's the biological clock that ages you. you're aging fast.

that's the bottom line. that's the problem. the less you eat, the longer you live. you can't eat less pushing food away. you have to eat less because literally, yourbody knows how to burn fat so efficiently that it burns your fat, maintains your glucoselevels. you don't get hungry, because my body's eating. it's not telling me to eat. when people—and this is key.

when people, and this is most americans, atthe cellular level, they do not have the hormonal ability to become an efficient fat burner. they have to rely on sugar for energy. therefore, your body has two choices. eat its muscle, which it doesn't want to do,because it knows it needs it for fight or flight survival, or give you a craving youcan't resist. which one does it do? eventually, it gives you the craving you can'tresist. all the diet failures you've had?

it's not your fault. it's a hormonal, instinctive, surviving capability,and your body will eventually break down and make you eat the bread or pasta. it's typically not the candy bar. it's the bread or pasta. that is why people fail. warren:it's so funny. people say to me, "warren, i could never stopeating bread. i love bread."

your hormones tell you that you love bread,and your dopamine receptors tell you that you love bread, but really, it's not the bestchoice, obviously. dr. pompa:if you've failed on diets in the past, if you still have carb cravings, bread cravings,all those cravings, your cell is not right. warren:that's a good way. you don't need to do the test. dr. pompa:it's showing that you, hormonally, are not efficient at burning fat at the cellular level. that's a hormone issue.

we are very efficient at hearing our hormones. our cells hear our hormones. hormones like leptin, that tell your brainto burn its fat for energy. hormones like insulin, that tell your cellsto burn fat for energy and not store fat. we're very efficient, and our cells are verysensitive to the hormones. the reputation—the epidemic, i should say—lookat this cute little piece of paper— warren:while you're drawing this, i think we should create a new show. dr. pompa:what's the show?

warren:the show should be, not "the biggest loser." when we do have a tv show, we'll call it—whatdo you call it? "the biggest healthy." i don't know. let's get people healthy and not just thinkabout weight loss. dr. pompa:here's your cell. then, this is inflammation. this is what most americans have. they're taking all sorts of vitamins, minerals—

warren:ignore the westin logo, because that's not part of the cell. dr. pompa:we're allowed to help them. okay, so anyways, this inflammation bluntsthese receptors. i'll put the receptors on both sides. these receptors here, these are the hormonereceptors that need to speak to insulin, leptin, and let me throw another fat hormone out there. i just mentioned three. there's insulin, which we know that if insulin'sout here, elevated, you're going to store

fat. thyroid hormone. if that's not connected to these receptors,because, see, they're blunted, over here, they're going to have trouble getting theirmessage in, you gain weight, and it doesn't matter what you eat. leptin's the hormone that tells your brainto burn fat for energy. if that can't connect to these receptors,you gain weight. it does not matter how much you eat or howless you eat, how much you exercise, you're still going to keep that fat roll in all thewrong places.

how do we do it? we have to get your cell hearing these hormones. when we get your cell sensitive, now you becomean efficient fat burner. now you go, "oh, i didn't eat?" your body is eating. it's eating the fat. warren:i hear you now, dr. pompa: see that? he can hear me.

here's the modern medicine, warren. what do we do today? we give more hormones. let's give more thyroid. let's give more insulin. let's give more estrogen, testosterone, allthese hormones. that works for a little bit. warren:now you're screaming at me. dr. pompa:yeah, now you're shouting at it.

warren:you're hurting my ears. dr. pompa:you're throwing more hormones at it, but what happens? you become more deaf. warren:my daughter wasn't listening to me. dr. pompa:your cells—exactly. your cells become more deaf to the hormones. doesn't hear it. blocked off.

it's not the answer. short term. eating more often, like six times a day? reducing calories? "not going to eat any more. i'm going to make it. i'm going to do it. i'm disciplined now, boy." that'll work for a month, maybe.

warren:80's protestant work ethic. dr. pompa:yeah, if you're really disciplined and work for a month. no, it's here. the cell. the cell's the answer. anyways, ancient healing strategies, fasting,intermittent fasting, and fasting daily, pushes your hormones up, by the way. growth hormone.

testosterone. makes you more hormone sensitive. it's some of the strategies that we use. diet variation is one of our ancient healingstrategies, and please— warren:got an article on that, too. dr. pompa:we're running out of time here, but read the article on diet variation. it's as simple as this. i believe our ancestors, we can learn a lot.

they went times where—diet changed withthe seasons. in the wintertime, they were forced to surviveon meats and fats. they could store it. it was something they were able to store andhunt. warren:fermented foods. dr. pompa:fermented foods. they didn't have all the vegetables and thefruits and the nuts and the seeds that came up in the spring. by springtime, they were so sick of the meatsand the fats and all those other low-carb—

warren:i'm sure they stole some nuts from squirrels. they'd sit in the woods, and they'd watchwhere the squirrel would put the nuts, and then they'd steal the— dr. pompa:yeah, maybe. small amounts, though, small amounts. even the amount of fermented vegetables thatthey had stored up. sickening. warren:did you ever watch "ice age," where they're chasing the squirrel with the one nut?

warren:that's what i would do. i'd go after that— dr. pompa:that one nut, yeah. that one carbohydrate! what happens, then, in the spring? there come the fruits and vegetables. warren:here comes the mushrooms. dr. pompa:diet varying. now, all of a sudden, they went from an extremelylow carbohydrate diet to a higher carbohydrate

diet. warren:[34:44] healthier. dr. pompa:i was going to say. in today's standards, that will still be alow carb diet. they call low carb diets 200 grams of carbohydratesa day a low carb diet. to us, that's a higher carb diet. standards of when you look at studies on lowcarb diets—200 grams of carbohydrates. i don't get that on my high carb days. anyways, they moved to a higher carbohydratediet.

there's massive benefit in this. then they shift back. the shifting diet variation, i believe, works. we do that when we put people into ketosis. another ancient healing strategy. ketosis has been around, again, for thousandsof years. ancient cultures. even in the 1920s, they used it medically,to fix brains. what is ketosis?

dropping your carbs down to at least below50 grams a day. articles on ketosis, two articles that i wrote. what happens is magic. the cell can only use two things for energy,sugar or fat. when it uses fat, fat burns so clean. it's like natural gas burning on your stove. do you see smoke? burn wood, you need a chimney and a fireplace,because there's so much smoke. that's sugar.

sugar's the wood. the fat is the natural gas. clean burning. when we put people into ketosis, the cellmembrane heals. back to making your hormones sensitive. ketosis can do that. it can help fix this membrane, because you'reburning a cleaner energy in the cell. when you do that, what happens is you're notdriving inflammation. warren, if you and i did eat sugar, our cells,they can handle it, and they don't create

the inflammation. our body's designed to burn the smoke, andwe have good chimneys. we have a way to get rid of it. warren:yeah, if we didn't have good chimneys, we would be staining our walls with black soot. we wouldn't be able to breathe, and we wouldhave a bad day. dr. pompa:many people, they don't have good chimneys in the united states. what happens is, they burn glucose and theymake a lot of mess.

then they get a lot more inflammation. if we can get them to burn natural gas, right,fat for energy, shift them over—because when you go into a ketosis state, your bodynow is burning mostly fat for energy, and burning a cleaner fuel. now we're able to decrease the inflammationin the cell long enough to help all our other nutrients and supplements and things we'regiving to actually work. i call it an advanced cellular healing dietfor that reason. we know also, ketones is the byproduct ofbreaking fat down. the brain heals with ketones.

that's why, in the 1920s, they did it forseizures and, really, all types of brain conditions. ketones fix this. you know it takes about two or three weeksto get into that, your cells to where it is this fat burning machine. it takes about two or three weeks to adapt. we call it keto-adaptation. you know when you adapt, because the firstthing that changes is people's memory. warren:[37:44]. dr. pompa:yeah, i can memorize—and i'm about ready

to go into ketosis again, i think, when iget back from this seminar. i did the opposite of most people, becausei like to use it for cycling. warren:most people go into ketosis over the winter. i flipped it. i went into a—still low carb diet. i would call it my regular cellular healingdiet, is what i'm eating currently. then, in about a month, i'm going to go intoketosis again for three months. that variation is amazing. i really came to this discovery, if you will,and started talking about diet variation,

because i had people who aren't able to gointo that ketosis. four months, and they're still not in. i said, "okay, let's go back to the cellularhealing diet. lower carb diet, but much higher than ketosis. maybe 100 grams to 200 grams of carbohydratesa day. that diet is where they started. now, all of a sudden, they go onto that diet,and they lose some weight. it doesn't continue, but they lose weight,and they go, "oh my gosh, i feel better." i say, "great, because we're not going tostay here.

the same thing's going to happen. you're going to get stuck. then we bring them back into ketosis and magichappens. all of a sudden, they get right in, at threeweeks, into ketosis. what happened? diet variation. adaptation occurred. something hormonally happened. warren:a different type of stress.

dr. pompa:something hormonally happened. right. we stressed the body differently. stressed the body differently. something magical happened, to where dietvariation, i believe, is another ancient healing tool that we love to talk about. warren:this is an awesome show. it's created some good questions that youhave. you can always write us on our facebook fanpage.

we have one—revelation health. we have dr. pompa's fan page. we have people that monitor that weekly. also, you can reach out to us by writing onthese articles that we have. the ketogentic diet articles, search that. then, write comments. we monitor that daily. it gives us a message right away and letsus know that you're reaching out to us. we can definitely have a conversation withyou online.

dr. pompa:this would be a great article. warren:cellular healing tv, episode 61. dr. pompa:this would be a good article, here. ancient healing strategies. yeah, very good. warren:alright, appreciate you guys. have a great rest of your weekend or yourstart of your weekend, on a friday. dr. pompa:remember this. this is the key.

listen. be a three percenter. remember, those are the people that changethe world. to do it, you've got to go 180. warren:go 180, guys. dr. pompa:go 180. warren:live opposite. get it done. blessings.

take care. have a great weekend. bye-bye.